Subject: This whole cheating thing Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 12:50:48 -0700 From: Ed Grubaugh To: fkusumot@ix.netcom.com Nate Clark did bring the cheating concept into a more open forum which is comendable. He put himself on the line and that is somewhat gutsy (or the sign of someone who simply doesn't care). But he is dead wrong. The example about the life total switching is horrid. It's cheating, simply put. If you're not keeping track of your opponent's life, and they screw up, then you are retardedly putting yourself in a posistion where your opponent can cheat you, and this life rearrangement problem won't be a probelem becuase as a player you'd be ignorant. If you are keeping track of an opponent's life, and the opponenet recorrects the life incorrectly, lowering your total of the life is, in effect, cheating. You are decreasing the realistic value of your oponent's life, knowledgably. Doing it because opportunity presented itself does not make it just. The muscle sliver example is even worse. The muscle sliver blocking the mnemonic sliver obviously dies, and the mnemonic sliver also quite as obviously dies with understanding of the rules. The opponent should not be responsible to tell you every time your creature dies, "Um... that thing's dead." That is poor sportsmanship and an attempt to cheat your opponent. If the thing's dead, put it away. Leaving it out until someone points it out is not part of the game, and it is in effect cheating. The Cerulean Wyvern instance is also bad. It's similar to trying to plow a creature that someone just sacrificed to a goblin bombardment. You can't do it. Don't do it. Don't try. Illegally killing targets is cheating. This one is more of a mistake on the opponent's part than the other two, but it's cheating. Playing for blood and playing for fun are two different styles, but that does not leave only two possible choices of action. Playing for blood and competition does not require dubious methods of winning nor does it premediatate foul and unethical play. Being competitive is not equated with being a cheater. Many competitive people have played in many games of many kinds, but they have not all cheated. There are good sportsmen renouned for fair play, and though magic isn't a sport, the best examples are found in sports. Wayne Gretzky is well known for his clean play. Sandy Koufax was a great pitcher of his time, but he didn't need to throw at people similar to Don Drysdale or like Randy Johnson does at times. No one ever accused Larry Bird of cheating or playing dirty, but no one thought he wasn't competitive either. There are choices to be made; $5,000 is quite nice, and odds are there are no repercussions for bad acts, so there is nothing to make not cheating more prosperous, but, there is the ethical question and the choice to be a good sport or a bad sport. Taking advantage of a poor play is fair. If an opponent doesn't make the right play or forgets to regenerate or something of the sort, winning and pushing said mistake to the extreme is completely fair and ethical and legit. Cheating to gain advantage is a sorry excuse for playing the game. It may be a part of the game to try to cheat opponents, but if it is, that's a sorry part of the game. Thanks for listening, -Ed P.S.- Cheating is playing the game by means not allowed by the rules. Breaking the rules of the game is cheating, and nothing less. There are set rules that leave most circumstances as black and white circumstances. Doing anything other than what is allowed is the cheating circumstance. There are no lesser forms of cheating, only cheating.